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Comments on Precrime CCTV Cameras Now In Britain
Portsmouth now sports a CCTV camera system that can detect crimes before they happen - sometimes. (Read
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| "Here is an excerpt from the movie version of Minority Report that shows the wired glove interface that lets Tom Cruise search easily among many files. It also looks great on the screen. Keep in mind that the movie has some intense subject matter.
This interface now has many real-world analogs, one of which was created by the consultant who advised Spielberg on the movie - G-Speak.
- Minority Report-Style 'Discovery Informatics' At Purdue University |
| "I find it mind boggling that the British people have not revolted over this gross exploitation of technology and massive loss of privacy.
I guess the biggest question has to be: Has this system lowered the crime rate? If not, WHY ARE PEOPLE PUTTING UP WITH IT?" (SJ 11/29/2008 5:07:00 PM) |
| "SJ, people put up with it because it's introduced slowly. The same thing is happening in the US. We're giving up more and more freedoms without realizing it, because it happens in small steps. And always for safety. We want to be safe and protected (which, by itself, is not a problem). But we don't want to do anything to make ourselves safe. We want the gorvenment to do it for us. So we're willing to give up certain freedoms for it, very slowly, a little at a time. Sucks, don't it?
and no, it doesn't seem to help. Britain has a very high crime rate compared to, say, the US. Maybe it's because we still have the freedom to make ourselves safe, instead of relying on the government." (Zero 11/30/2008 12:14:02 AM) |
| "True enough. People do get complacent when given the "option" of freedom vs TERRORISM!!
I just find it frustrating that we seem to roll over to these ideas and then think nothing of it as they progress far far worse than when they were established. Give an inch, take a mile, or something like that?
I live in Canada, and Vancouver has been getting mixed up into this a bit with the coming of the Olympics. Which complicates things a lot. You think on the one hand that people will be causing problems so cameras recording these people would be a good idea...until the Olympics are over. Do the police then hand over the cameras? Not bloody likely.
I don't look forward to the future of the government knowing my every move. It's simply not right." (SJ 11/30/2008 12:02:24 PM) |
| "I find complaints of loss of privacy and freedom very strange. The cameras are only recording what takes place in public (so there's no privacy issue), and people's actions aren't being restrained by the cameras (so there's no freedom issue).
This is particularly ironic given that in professional photographers have to lobby vigorously for the right to take pictures of strangers in public or risk being sued." (Fortigurn 11/30/2008 8:25:47 PM) |
| "The problem is not that they are being watched all the time, but rather an innocent meeting could turn into an arrest. How long before the system used for good goes bad? I used to live in Illinois and there the I-Pass is practically state enforced. When they introduced it, even though their costs were cut, they instead doubled the cost of not using it. Sure it makes things convenient, but what would happen if they decided to turn it against the average user. I might drive 4 mph over the speed limit to work. A police officer wouldn't pull me over because there are bigger fish to fry. But the system could just log the time between two tollbooths and if it is less than the 65mph calculated time, they could write me a ticket. It hasn't come to it yet, but how long before it does? When even minor crimes that are normally ignored are suddenly enforced by an automated system, I consider it an infringement of my liberty." (Brandon 12/1/2008 9:33:08 AM) |
| "Ok, if there's no problem being watched all the time then why are people complaining about privacy issues? This is bizarre.
As for an innocent meeting potentially turning into an arrest, if it's innocent there won't be an arrest. There might be a detention, but that's it. That's no different to what already happens in stores with video surveillance (including in change rooms), which no one complains about. Plenty of innocent people have been detained or checked by staff security on the suspicion of shoplifting based on what was seen on video. That's just an inconvenience we have to live with.
If you're driving 4pmh over the speedlimit, and the law permits you to be fined for this, then what's the problem? You broke the law, you pay the fine.
I don't see it as an infringement of liberty when 'minor crimes that are normally ignored are suddenly enforced by an automated system', that's just a case of the law finally being enforced for a change. And the system can't actually enforce the punishment, human intervention is required for that. So at the end of the day the humans who previously let you off the hook are the same humans who still have the decision to do so or not.
If I break the law and I'm legally fined for it, I don't consider that an infringement of my liberty." (Fortigurn 12/1/2008 8:39:43 PM) |
| "At what point does it become a police state?" (Brandon 12/3/2008 9:36:30 AM) |
| "Exactly. At what point do we say, OK, that's enough.
Are you OK with voices telling you to move along so you don't loiter? Are you OK with being detained without cause?
How people cannot see this as the first step into what could VERY easily become a government controlled civilization is beyond me. AT what point are you willing to give up your rights, and when that time comes, it may just be to late to change anything. I'd rather make DAMN sure my rights are being protect at all times than have some stupid cameras telling someone else when I MIGHT *MIGHT* be doing something wrong. You need to be aware of what is going on in your government. Don't be blind and naive enough to think that they only have your best interests at heart." (SJ 12/8/2008 3:18:47 PM) |
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