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Fascinating patent idea by IBM turns everyone - yes, everyone - into a bullet-dodging Neo. (Read
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|"brings that scene from Iron Man to mind...the one with him dodge the tank shell."
(gid 2/13/2009 7:12:32 AM)
|"While it's internal, (cyborg, instead of armor) the Cobra series, by Timothy Zahn, used something that would take control of your body, and the various implants throughout it, when in danger. Tho, probably a better reference was in one of the Tom Swift novels, (third generation, I think, tho I can't remember which one for sure) Tom Swift used something like the sensor-system the Hal-5 uses, but made more powerful, so it could send signals to the nerves/muscles, rather than just read the signals they were sending, and then use a computer and several cameras (separate but tethered, for the prototype) to analyze what was going on, and trigger his muscles to improve his ability to fight. (he was experimenting with a Martial Art, at the time, and was trying this out as a training method)"
(Ashley 2/13/2009 7:54:23 AM)
|"... I'm curious.. I have got to think one would have some serious muscular, tendon, skin etc damage if it was forced to move that fast, especially if you even slightly resisted that movement... of course a bullet would suck, but man, this doesn't sound too terribly comfortable either...."
(MetalMINIMayhem 2/13/2009 8:50:55 AM)
|"The fascinating thing about this idea (to me) is that it is a complete reversal of the usual notion of armor. Armor is seen as passively accepting the fact of being hit; this Bionic Body Armor is active, and challenges your idea of what 'protective armor' really is. I agree, MetalMINIMayhem, that a real product based on this idea is going to produce some smoked muscles. And Ashley, that's a cool tie-in. I didn't read Tom Swift when I was a kid (the Hardy Boys had my attention - action/adventure-wise - when I was ten. And gid, I guess I'll just need to see Iron Man again - just to find that scene. That suit of his does a lot of counter-physical actions (like hitting the ground without injuring Tony)."
(Bill Christensen 2/13/2009 11:39:30 AM)
|"Here's a match-up: Bionic Body Armor (from IBM) versus guided bullets (by DARPA)? "
(Bill Christensen 2/13/2009 8:37:54 PM)
|"Unfortunately, it's been quite a while since I read Tom Swift, and I'm not even sure which series it was in. There's been several (at least 4 or 5 different series, covering at least 3 generations of Tom Swift's, starting with the first one, and then going to Tom Swift Jr...) One thing about his "armor," was that it didn't actually do any moving. Really, it was just a bunch of electrodes on his skin, which (under the control of the programs on his computer) stimulated his muscles/nerves, so that they would act when they should. Instead of "moving him around," it "made him move around.""
(Ashley 2/13/2009 8:42:54 PM)
|"The first time Tony Stark got up and walked away after crashing his armor straight down into the ground in "Iron Man," I groaned and said to myself, "Okay, it's gonna be THAT kind of comic-book movie ...""
(he's a toon 2/14/2009 3:27:08 AM)
|"I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the tuxedo from the movie "The Tuxedo" with Jackie Chan. the eponymous tuxedo is a spy gadget which gives it's wearer martial arts skills etc.
(Yossi Preminger 2/14/2009 3:30:31 PM)
|"This is a horrible idea I've ever heard. Wearing that armor will break your bones when you dodge bullets. You know bullets are all METAL projectiles. How about making a negative magnetic field around the armor strong enough so could repel any metal projectiles in even deadliest speed. If that sensor is broken, all the soldiers are screwed."
(xover88 2/15/2009 6:39:56 AM)
|"Ha Ha... I thought the same thing about Iron Man as well! Xover88, applying a magnetic force would work provided one of two things.. A) the projectile had magnetic properties (ie: iron instead of a lead bullet) or B) you would have to have a powerplant the size of NASA's Vertical Assembly Building strapped to your back to provide enough power to repel something "non-magnetic" traveling at that speed.. check out the videos of the toad being levitated with magnetic force.. that's a heck of a lot of power to suspend a frog, much less a speeding bullet... but I do like the idea of an active defense system as opposed to moving th ebody in a manner it wasn't designed to at superhuman speeds.."
(MetalMINIMayhem 2/15/2009 10:06:38 AM)
|"It depends on how it is done. The reference I gave about the variant in the one Tom Swift novel does _not_ make the body move in ways it wasn't designed to, it simply bypasses the brain and nervous system, controlling the muscles with a computer, so that you can just "load the 'martial-arts' program" and have "instant skill," without having to spend years practicing. And we _are_ actually nearly to the point of being able to do that. As demonstrated by this site, among others, we've got each of the necessary components of such a system, and merely need to combine them together in one place."
(Ashley 2/15/2009 3:55:01 PM)
|"Yossi - I'd forgotten that one. I can't find a bullet-dodging scene in YouTube. However, I wonder if IBM realizes that a suit like this could also make you dance like James Brown! Or anyone else you programmed it to imitate. Assuming it has bionic body pants as well as a coat or shirt."
(Bill Christensen 2/15/2009 9:04:47 PM)
|"Dodging bullets is all fine and good until the bullets are guided. Smart bullets are much further along than vaporware millisecond kung fu exoskeletons or neural puppet strings. Perhaps future body armor should be patterned on the active protection systems for armored vehicles that shoot down incoming anti-tank missiles. "
(Ryan 2/16/2009 7:20:35 AM)
|"the thing that easily comes to mind is the way Neo dodged the bullets in Matrix. but the simple fact is that a simple twist (right- or left-face) will already effectively shift one's body sideways without disturbing balance. so does bending over forward, kneeling. but the crucial factor is the distance from where the bullet exits the muzzle to the target. at 10 m, the armor has only 0.05 or 0.06 of a second to shift the body to a safe position. that requires superfast computing and servo-motor activation, that can be very uncomfortable to the wearer, but definitely better than a bleeding hole."
(lunge y'all 2/17/2009 4:05:22 AM)
|"Even though I loved Iron Man, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Tony Stark would've been liquefied during the instant decelerations he suffered. Of course, if he could build a mini fusion reactor in a cave, maybe he also cooked up an inertia dampener? Nah."
(Chris Johnston 2/22/2009 12:55:05 AM)
|"Chris, I thought the same thing. I could suspend my disbelief for the suit itself and its power source, but you can't beat deceleration trauma as depicted in the film. I thought they could be more creative; what if the suit built a kind of structure to absorb impact? That way, Tony could decelerate over a longer distance, reducing the 'crash' to a survivable 8-10 gravities. The process could happen in the blink of an eye."
(Bill Christensen 2/22/2009 2:05:37 PM)
|"Or, as some sf stories have it, (some of the newer ones, at least) the suit would be fluid-filled, with one of those oxygen-transport fluids. That'd help with the sudden accel-decel."
(Ashley 3/1/2009 9:01:41 AM)
|"okay, we have nanofiber muscles 100x stronger than human and 1000x Faster. Aerogel capacitors using their insane 'surface area' to hold obscene charges. Nano batteries and micro-fuel cell power plants.
Nanofiber'solid' EXO-frames and armor with LEVEL V protection. Meta-material invisibility. multi-spectrum optics ranging from infra red to x-ray with an sand grain sized super computer loaded with an 'agent' looking for trouble. we also have upto 6 second Pre-stimulus response technology. in short, precognitive evasion. Gecko climbing grips...
*BRING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER IN ONE SUIT* and wow."
(HMMM, 3/6/2011 10:49:29 AM)
|"Great idea! Sometimes I think I need a technovelgy mashup section that let's readers combine tech into awesome combos."
(Bill Christensen 3/6/2011 12:15:33 PM)
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